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IWWC- Regular Meeting
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Okay. Call to order in special meeting on May 5th at 7:03 p.m. roll call. Start with Marina
Jan Bill Eric Johansson Jacobson Associates. All right. so we don't need to see Bill as a member. Correct. Okay. Yeah. Right. any addition or change in order to agenda now approval of minutes from last meeting but I like to go back to item three. Okay. And so I've got two proposed changes. One is on approval of the minutes. We did not approve February 3rd minutes last time. So we need to do that tonight. And then I would also like to add a new item to the new business out Yeah,
we need a motion for that.
Okay. So, we're going to see if commission member for tonight. So to make a motion to add the two items to the agenda second in favor. Motion pass.
I would suggest you guys speak up because I'm not all that confident the microphone on that laptop is going to pick things up for Okay. Approval of minutes from April 7th radio meeting. Anybody have any comments? I make motion to approve the minutes from April 7th meeting.
Second.
Hold on just a minute here. So, as the discussion from the April 7th meeting, the minutes needed to be amended to add a motion and a second to the motion and how it cured. And I think I seconded the motion and I think it was unanimous.
Yep. Did I put it in the next?
What was that? said I put it in the minutes next to other minutes.
Okay. So, it's it's in there now.
Yes.
I can't go back and change the minutes I got submitted. It just carries. Yes. Yep.
Okay. So, we should be good. That should be good. Okay. Cool. Any other comments?
We need a vote.
Yeah. Do we need a vote?
there's only a motion. I make a motion already.
You make a motion to J second.
Okay. I
'll there's no public comment. Correct. No public comment. Okay. Old business.
I think now we need to approve the minutes. That was February 3rd minutes. Oh, okay. I thought it was April 7th. Okay. I make a motion to approve the April 7th meeting minutes. I'll second.
Okay. All those in favor?
I pass.
Okay. Old business permit number 26-2 number 0017007 All righty. my name is Harma. I'm with Nathan Jacobson Associates. we're the town for Andovers. This is a town project we're presenting. some of you, I guess, weren't here last time. What were you likely to do? You want me to go right from the beginning just or summarize kind of what we talked about last time or hit on the promises of things I said I would change.
Let's let's discuss a summary of what going on then we can discuss things that you know we wanted to look at changing.
Okay. so this is a a DOT state mobile bridge program project. So this is getting a grant for 50% of the total project cost. you all know where this is. Okay. So the existing pipe is a fuel bolted corrugated metal pipe arch. It's about a 14t span by 8 and 1/2t rise. I think I brought pictures particularly of the downstream face. You can see a lot of damage deterioration. A lot of cement concrete units make up the parapits and the retaining walls and a lot of the flanges and webs are gone. We're not really sure what's behind that. the upstream side doesn't look
like that at all. the outlet invert is perched so it doesn't allow for the passage of aquatic organisms and then roadside barriers don't comply with the current standards but I guess you can say that automatically these days. so the primary primary focus for replacing again is the issue with the downstream head walls and parapits. this is Bosola Road, Lake Road, Cheney Brook flowing northerly to Andover Lake. Another colored drawing here just a gradient to kind of give you a sense for what's proposed. There's almost maybe 300 feet of road work here and stretching up the a little bit. The plan is to replace the barrel with a 28 foot span by about 9 foot rise three-sided pre-cast concrete rigid frame set on concrete footings that'll be cast right on bedrock. you can actually see the
bedrock in the channel just below. The stream will be how do I say graded slightly to eliminate that jump excuse me the perch at the outlet. So now aquatic organisms can make their way through. We have two riparian shelves proposed within the barrel on both sides of the channel for the passage of terrestrial critters without having to potentially go over the road. natural stream bottom material. from a erosion sediment control standpoint, there's hay bell and sedimentation fence at the towo slopes. There's construction entrances. There's controls at the catch basin. there's a pump discharge point. the way we would construct this you know they'll be able to sleeve the existing pipe get two smaller pipes. So this is the war heating plan. I'm not sure we touched on this last time.
so these are two smaller pipes that will pass through the existing pipe with these sort of superersack sandbag coffer dams to convey the flow into the pipes and out so the contractor can dry the area. The road will be closed but the channel has to remain open. So that's the purpose of the pipes. The pipes were designed in accordance with the DOT drainage manual for a two-year storm and I should say the permanent structure designed for the for 100 year storm for the DOT drainage manual. here's a quick look at elevation views what this field look like page. So these are upstream and downstream elevation views. You can get the sense of the rectangular shape of the waterway. the road array will remain the same. The road width will remain the same. Still 30 feet curve to curb. The the radius when you pull out of a solar and turn to the right, the radius will be enlarged a little bit. there'll be bridge rail complying with the current standards in the DOT and roadside barriers as well. building on that. And you can see the natural stream bottom material, the riparian shelf on the left and the right. We talked a little bit last time about is there going to be rip rock and then yes, there is going to be rip wrap that corners corners of the barrel. So right right this area here and here and here basically from the edge of the ordinary hard water line up to about the
100 year water level not beyond that beyond that it'll be vegetated and there'll be an erosion control blanket has been established and there are number of trees that you planted and I think I remember correctly there's about a total of 32 or 34 if I remember correctly. Couple things I said I would do last when we were here. I did talk about the small storm drain system in the road and the discharge would come through the wall of the the frame onto some rip wrap. And somebody here asked whether that rip wrap would carry right on down to the bottom of the channel. And I said I'd make that change, but when I got
back to the office and looked at the note a little more carefully, it said that carry the rip wrap right down to the bottom of the channel. So I didn't make a change there. didn't have to. I was I commented that the instream construction window on this set of plans was written before the core instituted their nationwide permit in the middle of March which now for Connecticut basically says you will you will not work in river in the springtime April, May or June, nor can you install coffer dams or remove them during that three-month window. And it used to be that you could. So we changed that note to say April, May, and June. Unless your coffer dams in, you can't work in the river April, May, and June. so, so that will apply with the Army Corps. We have been in touch with the Army Corps. They asked us to, take a look at the
ordinary high water line on here. So, we're working through that with them. I'm hoping that permit will be soon. Obviously, we need a permit from this commission. town we don't need a planning zone 824 review a report let's see D for water quality certification is granted from them to the core so it's a behind the scenes a permit that we didn't have to do anything for so with all those permits in place and the design finalized the town subject to getting the ements they need would go to construction next year and I think I said it was about a fivemon construction production. We were figuring probably for the latter half of the year probably go out to bid later this year or very early next year. otherwise it'll be tough to procure pre-cast. It's a long need item. that's the summary and I apologize question. The do fisheries look at these projects
or
Yeah. As part of needing a federal permit, there's certain due diligence things we have to do. One is contact EP fisheries, four different Indian tribes, two US fish and wildlife service, natural diversity database and state historic preservation office. Preservation office has no problems, no impact historic. fisheries asked us for the national streaming bottom material. and the time of year restriction that we changed because we got a rebuke from them prior to nationwide burns being instituted. what else? We didn't hear anything from the tribes, but that is their answer. We rarely hear anything, but tribes in 42 years, I think I've received one letter.
Yeah. what else? the APAC site through US Fish and Wildlife Service, I want to say it probably identified a couple of bass, another longer bat, probably in the what's the other one? The tri track bat, I think, and maybe the monarch butterfly. I can't remember if it was not likely to affect but anyway all that information gets sent up for the Army Corps and they've told us that they have fine say so sort of in their hands. what did I forget? Oh national diversity database based on the last map we looked at this project site is not in an area of concern. That's where we said Hank was not needed, right? Was that we said Hank was not needed, I think, for that. There's a umologist, right? We need a herologist.
Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right. You asked me about that and I didn't bring an answer with me tonight. I Yeah, let me see. I probably have turtle protection notes on here. I want to say there was
I think it was not a concern, right? So, for the NGB. So, I think we didn't need Hank for it.
Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. No, you're correct. Right.
Yeah. It was non concern. So, we didn't get a letter back from
Right.
this to the commission via email isn't here. So, been on the downstream end this work as well as the upstream. and I think this is going to be a significant improvement from a habitat perspective at least for the the brook and the receiving lake as well. So that's why I was asking about but yeah it's I think your your pictures of the first culvert were probably low is the the drop from the cover bottom to the the stream surfaces was substantially higher than than here photo. So it it does get pretty bad.
Yeah. Fisheries always quick to tell us that the American Neil can climb it. If there's a Neil in the brook,
I mean there's a there's a decent depth to the rock right there. It's about three feet the day we took it. so worse than that.
Yeah, maybe it's just the perspective of the photos, but I I was surprised I was doing stream down below the bridge before and it's pretty shocking and the condition. so yeah, I do think this is a good object for for the town and the the resources involved.
Sure. Is there any concerns about sediment upstream of the bridge being disturbed or you know flowing downstream anything like that?
I think somebody asked a similar question last night.
Yeah, we did speak about that.
you know sediment do you mean like beyond the work area or within the work area but upstream of the bridge?
Within the work area upstream of the bridge.
yeah we had some discussion about the rip wrap. I I think I would talk about maybe changing rap some discussion here about well maybe you shouldn't [ __ ] it and let it absorb the the senate might come down the banks which is a good idea I mean different commissions in our different towns feel differently I don't disagree with doing what you guys seem to like to do just leave it open and let it does yeah leave it open and catch anything before watch
Yeah, I mean again we are we are going to put blanket on the slopes and but there and then there's rip wrap literally between the blanketed slope and the channel. So I guess that's a nice nice bar to capture that if anything comes up. So, your plan is on the slope. You're going to be putting in vegetation, right? Versus what state, right? I guess imagine weeds, light brush. I've been out there for a while.
Yeah. It's all rock. Oh, that's right. You chunks of rocks. Okay. So, it's completely different. Yep. It's going to be not just the bridge. It will be different. That whole area will be probably be improving.
Yes. I don't know because it is it's just all rock right now. So I don't know how much sun would be getting from that.
All just rocks in the water just running down it mostly.
Yeah. I'll take a look at that. Last time I was out there, I don't recall seeing it. I don't know if something was new or maybe just maybe the leaves gone. You can see it. Maybe they put it down there. recently, I don't know if it's but you know with your diagram you showing the green, not that particular one, but you showing the green there. That that's that's all rock on the on at least on the right side both sides actually up side. that old fence which you know is ridiculous but that's going to go needs to go.
Fence
that fence that's all it is is like a little wire fence.
Oh the guy.
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's going to go. Is there with the new design you know the width over the stream the width of the roadway as you're kind of looking up and down it is there room for pedestrian access on the sides of the two lanes of traffic or
keeping it the same width. So I guess if you consider the room now there was some discussion of seeing people kind of walk here and then they walk off the road along through here. I guess it's on private property. I'm not sure how that works. maybe just to escape the road. I suppose I walk behind this much bunch of stones in here. but we're keeping the width. No, we're not going to strike a shoulder.
is public.
Oh, go ahead. suppose the town did run away. Is is the covert is what's going to be installed wide enough to accommodate that? so the parapits and railing are right to the edge of the call.
Well, you have to do something pretty dramatic to can something beyond that,
right? It's not going it's not going to be able to accommodate a wider road sometime in the future without significant modifications if the town I mean that would be sort of a question of the town I'm looking at
I'm assuming I change both plans because I just thought I'd ask when she was talking about the ice cream.
I mean, there are multiple people walking out there, especially for crying out loud. But the town would have to commit and the state would have to commit.
Sure.
I mean, I've seen some like other projects where they actually have the walkway off to the side.
That's what I was thinking.
Could Could that be added like to the bridge itself?
You know, like let's say they were to And I'm saying this just stupidly like, you know, screw something into the side and put a walkway on the side of this thing. It would have to be all totally engineered. I think that's what I Everybody's thinking.
No, I just think in future 50 years.
Yeah. I mean, decision early on, you know, not just us town.
So the town did not just replace what's there. It's usually one of the first questions we ask. It's a very basic question. You have a sidewalk. One side, both sides, no sides, and and no sides is got. I mean, you can't leave something off the edge. It would have been 90 million.
Yeah. No, no, I understand. But it could be done to this bridge or would it have to the whole bridge would have to be knocked down to can something off the side?
Well, you probably end up having to take the the parapits off or cut them down. It's not necessarily dramatic. I mean, the other possibility, you know, I guess you could, you know, what if you narrow the road? You know, the road out here and the road out here isn't 30 ft wide. It's just you don't want to narrow it. Trust me, that's my taste. But
yeah, that okay. Yeah,
thought asking if that had been considered been built until this. If it hasn't, and it isn't, then that's okay with me. It's not within
the scope of the project.
Yeah. I just curious like they install stop signs on both kind of slow traffic to better support for those streams or
I went to a whole signal class two weeks ago and there's all sorts of crazy stuff that you can do to slow traffic down and everything like that. And the funniest part was one person raised their hand there and they said, "What's going to happen to all this in three years and everything's self-driving?"
So all that goes away. Everybody is frustrated because people are actually if the panel doesn't mind. I do have a couple. Okay. are there catch basins on that bridge? I didn't see
not on the existing.
Okay.
On the proposed here.
Okay.
Here and here. So it's going to flow from this is the first one. Yeah.
Second, third. And it's going to come right through the wall of the frame which is right here.
Is that all RCP stuff?
That's all corugated polyethylene.
Okay.
And you said it's going to dump out onto the riparian shelf under the bridge. Correct.
So again,
it's going to dump out this promo dump out onto the riparian shelf under the bridge.
Right. But those are going to be rip wrapped
underneath that so it doesn't erode the riparian shelf.
These are all going to have sumps and everything. They're not going to be flat bottom of correct tastes.
I mean, is it
wo foot soaps?
Yeah, two foot unless you want something more.
No, no. I was just just curious.
We're cleaning again. I look at it because we're actually starting to clean the catch basin cleaning crew is coming in tomorrow and we're starting at the lake because I've been sand salt out just I want to clean the lake first before we hit the rest of the town. So, it's just something being close to a bridge. I didn't know if SSburg deber or not just for my own knowledge.
I mean, yeah, they're repl standard, but you could ask if you want a stupid make that just this one here is sitting pretty much close to the top of the retaining off. They could not make
Yeah.
Okay. are they going to have to move wires and everything to do this project, too? Like they're doing that out.
Yeah. I mean, no promises, right? I don't know if any of you guys are involved with that resource, but we did meet with them out there and they've got a plan whether what they want to do. So, it's just a matter of us driving it, pushing that up and it gets done.
That's the first step, right? That's the first step.
What's that?
To move to move wires.
yeah, I I mean I'm a firm believer in get the wires out of the way before the job even goes out the bid. So many clients said, "Oh, put it out the bid. We'll wait for the permits. We'll wait for the wires." If I was a contractor, I would say I'm not going to bid that job. And it is. Why are wasting my time? Sure. Make it attractive. Make sure it's all set to go. So that's the plan. Get the wires moved this year. We go out to bid. Is Basa Road being moved over a little bit or we just doing the easement to for temporary in order to get get by into the stool?
Yeah. No, that's a good question. And if you do that, are you going to pave it or just have it temporarily there protection traffic even we do a detail for it elsewhere? Well, actually here we are showing a twoinch depth of asphalt, temporary asphalt. So we're going to sort of slide this solo over presumably the town is in conversation with these various property owners that are affected. That's temporary. Yeah. Resume. Again, the reason why I ask is sometimes these projects take longer than they should. The timelines and everything and if we drag into the winter, I I don't want to be driving on have my guys drive off on non-pavement for the winter time. That's all I was thinking of. Oh, yeah. You know, it's I mean even with the bridge itself, you know, we really want to and I think contractors everyone's agreeing with you want pavement with their and then the spring come and the fall on it's just a mess. That's what it is.
And what is the idea of factors that we play into it, but what's the timing of this project?
probably probably start construction Juneish. again, April, May, June, they can't be in the water and confined, but you know, they need some time to mobilize and get set up for patrol quaring and be so probably June, July, August, September, or October. I would say probably those five months.
So by you're thinking by December will be complete.
We're in pretty good shape right now. subject to our an internal quality review in our office on the out the the long pole in the tent to me while maybe not a weapons issue is easements that's always and and that's one you know I'm trying to push on without being to anybody I just I just need to know how to back off or how why didn't you tell me to get this done I I haven't that feedback yet so I don't know where I stand so we're we're pretty we're in pretty good shape like I said, wait for the aring permit. I did a bit of communication from them. Like I said, they want me to revise the ordinary water line which affects the impact areas on the environmental impact plane
a little bit, but that's the only thing they ask for. So that's good. Where's the like dump site going with the when they like remove pill and put it off to the side and test it and all that stuff or is that going to be outside or they bring it back somewhere else? That's a good question. No, first of all, staging in any temporary house I imagine would just be right on the approaches because it'll be closed. There'll be some there'll be some there's a driveway here I believe but you know they can steal some room. They've got a bunch of room in here. Okay.
and they can't really steal much here. And I'm sorry, are you with ETW?
Yes.
Okay. They'll probably come to you and ask you about
They'll probably ask you on
That's what the contract
hey love to do that to cart it away supposed to leave.
Yes,
that's what the staff said.
Okay. I just I know there's not a lot of room over there and I just didn't know if they were going to have to move into another site in order to dump it. If we were going to have to have a site for them.
Okay.
well I did one.
Yeah, too. Yeah. thoughts.
I'm okay either way. I just thought the commission should discuss whether or not to go to the budget.
Couple of questions that you probably know the answer to. Megan is I remember when you were in a similar situation a year or two ago with no wetlands agent and you were the chair just taken over probably but you had some special qualifications I think that allowed us to do business as a commission at that point
was a bigger conversation or a bigger conversation or
well so it it surprises me that the town of which we're a part chooses to submit this application at a time when we don't have a weapons agent especially when there's no urgency here because we're not going to do it for over it's going to be more than a year before we even started
oh I was thinking so that's
we we'll want to advertise I mean I would like to advertise in November of this year
okay so that's all
why we're choosing you this was a fairly significant undertaking and we're choosing to do it without the benefit of a weapons agent. I don't know if you know and again I recall you had some qualifications that that we voted on and said okay we're good to do business. I don't know I don't recall what that was and where we stand.
Yeah. I don't I don't think we can ot operate as a commission just because we don't have the work.
I couldn't hear you.
I don't think we can, you know, not do our job as a commission just because we don't have a wetlands agent.
I I believe that without the access of the wetlands agent, the commission is the wetlands agent.
Yeah, the wetlands agent works for the commission.
But that's certainly not an ideal situation. It may not be that you can do business.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm going to have a report on that later, but
hopefully it'll be resil. has there been and again it's not really weapons related so but just my own curiosity doing the work in the summer I understand from a project perspective from a community impact perspective that's when the league has the most traffic has there been any discussion of that and kind of the the interruption of you know traffic around the lake during that kind of peak recreation period.
Yeah, it's pretty typical. Another one of the old lines, the same thing when we close the bridge.
Yeah.
you know, in the northeast we're really sort of pigeon pulled into a construction season shut down.
Yeah.
Now there's environmental time with the restrictions and then there's sort of temperature restrictions on local materials and surely you can concrete in the winter. you know, we may have heat it price of fuel and everything else 247 keeping things warm. So, you know, there's a the town say, look, we're going to build this in order because we don't want it to show up, but there'll be a price tag and so then it'll be somebody else's decision.
Has there been discussion with either Alma or about the project?
So, there's two two organizations that manage. So the lake management association only is the owner of the lake bed and the u the maintainer of the dam and water quality and kind of the traditional lake management and then alo the like and over lake property owners association is more the socialization side of things they manage the beach and kind of the recreation house next to the lake
so you know lake management association that they own both parcels here that doesn't touch map. Yeah, we've got it.
They're in the lake.
They own the lake bed.
Yeah, but they have landed that actually belongs to Alma. There's a piece of land there. It's a swamp circ to look at.
yeah. No, just it shows two parcels down there one by. So, how has somebody been in touch with him? Again, this is the town. the administrator or maybe the town attorney. I don't know. We've been
I don't but they need to be contacted because we're looking for temporary easements from them.
Some board to their awareness and there's been any substantial discussion yet. I think it would benefit the commission to on the way in similar to how we do with the job plan of other projects that impact the file before we approve them.
Is public works could be doing any site work for this?
Not to my knowledge.
No. another question I had was I'm sure there's going to need to be some trees taken down around that. we do have a tree warden. Yes. As well. So, it's going to have to be kind of involved a little bit. Yes, it definitely involved flying trees.
Yep. One of the first questions the contractors can ask is there would be preferable not to have involved in the construction. Let the contractor do it. just eliminates one one more trip, you know, potential issue. Nothing.
No, no, everything else. It just I mean, we did. So, as you guys know, we remove the trees down at the park because they had to move the wires over in order to get that bridge, but that's about the extent of with too much for you. saw something. So these little circles with the accents are the trees to do and then really there's a brush sort of brings them but you know the rightway is you know fairly uniform through here and then these are the easements lines primarily temporary I think there's a permanent right there corner we do do roadside mowing as you guys know so we have what they call open rail
m try to reach over some of these railings and trim some of the brush deck roads over but again that's about the extent of all we do
I think given the scope of the project I think it's mostly positive impacts to the wetlands and and water forces but nevertheless I think it's significant impacts it doesn't sound like it's going to for zoning I'm a little uncomfortable proceeding with the project without greater community involvement so I would motion that occurs to a public hearing before the forums What are the time limits to set a public hearing for once a application is submitted? And I and I agree with you because, you know, we we said we were going to reach out to Hank. I don't know that anybody actually spoke to him, but we did talk about turtles being over there and I thought we were going to, you know,
Hank, what what's your take on this? He's he's our expert. all that stuff. so I I sort of agree with you there that you said you were part of the the full committee. you know what when this was brought up what like
so it wasn't during a meeting I just flagged it via email so it hasn't been discussed by so I can't
respond
I just was wondering if they had any indication this was happening or
I don't really think so no
you know
I mean I know we publicly post things on the website but
realistically most people are not you know scouring minutes and applications to to know what's going on. So,
I do have one more question. There going to be a dry hydrant for fire department off this bridge or not?
It's a soft motion.
Yeah, we can. at least know what are your next thoughts. I think it's a great idea and unfortunately the person we need to talk to is public by doing this public hearing now right
it's kind of like public that's got
so
well I think the people married who might have you I love hanging and not just coming knowledge is certainly valuable but I think he's one of many people going to do that might want to in a way
also if the person that you want to get the easement from maybe should be involved in a public hearing somebody you could contact find out who actually it is that lives there and that might help you get that going the as they I understand.
Yeah,
they need to be in contact with just our stuff,
but that would public hearing and give them an opportunity, especially if it's posted and I don't know they post
I don't do
I would think they should. Yeah,
but like you have to actually find you have do you post that or would you post it on the bridge?
I don't know where you post that. I know like like for zoning or like even crew removal same thing you have to post it that has to be posted on the tree 10 days.
What was the date of the application received? April 47ation a hearing can't be held later and 65 days after the receipt of such application. I think we'd have to have the public hearing on June 9th.
Yeah.
Move. Well, actually, so if we had the next meeting on June 2nd, which is when we scheduled, that's within the 65 days
and that was for notice.
We could Yeah, we just have to get the notification in newspaper, you know, and we've got time to do that. So if we don't have a weaponization, you know, I'll make sure all that stuff happens. I know you don't know what all those rules are and I don't have an rules, but I know a lot of the CX similar to what I used to all the public hearing, you know, regulations are the same for you the different commissions. It's all stable. They're just saying
what what is the motion?
the public hearing on the application
June 2nd.
I can ask you a second. the business time.
Okay. Yeah. And if we wanted to, we could take action, you know, that same item.
Okay.
All those in favor I pass.
Sorry. I guess discussion.
I guess we should have included that in our discussion. Are you available to present something that you
I think so yes Okay. Okay. So, new business 26-3 pond parking lot application DPW that's from six. yes and no.
Okay. the millings on I I did acquire some millings. I didn't care for a lot of them. So, I'll use that. I'm going to use those, but I'm going to get I'm going to buy spring millings for the top so we can actually roll it in better and it will bond better. How do they allow trigger the millings that were on six were an experimental ph that they put down see how it turned out and you all saw it didn't turn out well. I didn't know that. Yes. Interesting. If you looked on route six that they probably was up and plowed up over time, they actually said, "Oh, there's like
little signs that said, oh, it was experimental, you know, from dot spec XYZ." if you notice too, they didn't mill real deep either, but they only put like an inch of this stuff down on them. I noticed that they're very dry. I noticed that we got one load we actually just brought down to our layown yard and we just had so many chunks and stuff in it. doesn't really have much to do with it. So, I'm kind of happy I didn't get about 200 folks trip or something projects I want to do. So, again, I'll probably put this on the bottom and then buy a couple loads of screen stuff or thank you.
Yeah.
Do you have any ideas?
Nope. Nope. They could have came from any project in the in the city. Again, it could be it could be another experimental you know roadway. but if I get a load that looks like garbage or if it's local, I will I will go look at it. I'm a very visual guy. I like to put my hand in and try it, stuff like that. Look at the pile and getting it out of because you can tell if it's straight or not. So, originally this came about, Scott Pearson called me. Yes.
And asked if they can if you guys could dump me in that lot, and I said, "We have to bring the pressure first." What I'd like to do is dig out a little bit. Just not just dump it on the garbage that's there. my thoughts are dig down 8 10 inches. Maybe put a layer of stone, put some fabric down so the fives don't come up through it. the stone would act as a little bit of drainage just for water moving underground to get the filter fabric to be keep the fines out. and then put the milk on top of that when you roll the millings. Yes.
And you said you use the word bonding.
Yes.
Does that make it an impervious surface? No. Melons will drain even after roll slowly and very slowly. Yeah. But it might be hasn't very successful. Yes. Do
Yes. Very slow. Yes. What I what I like to do is I mean in the perfect world, I'd like to crown it a little bit. So like any water that does hit it will run off to the edge. The problem with Millings is it's a it's still a stone based product. And if you notice down at the Veterans Park there where people come in and they when they first drive in, they turn. Well, where the asphalt meets the millings, there's always a hole there because people are constantly turning. So, anywhere I'm gonna use because I I came from there. We put a lot of millings around the lake on some of these dirt roads and in front of everybody's driveway there's potholes because everybody turns to go into their driveway. So, that's that is the problem the with the mills. So they h we can the ideal time is next month we do this project put them in we pound it in with a roller the sun beats on it all summer kind of melts it down a little bit and and and it gives it a better bonding surface.
What's the current surface?
That yeah fill mud. one of the complaints I heard was like the fire department uses that as a for their
for a dry hydrant and that's like one of their main sources they use. So when I first got here I kind of looked at that like well we got to do saucing that because one of these days we're going to use fire sharp there on that and that that's going to be expensive.
so the biggest reason I wanted to talk to the commission about it first was because technically speaking millings can each be close to the water. Yep. It's still an oil based product. It's still, you know, you're going to go in there, you're going to get kids that are going to blow donuts. Let's call it what it is. I mean, they do it down the back part. So, they're going to scatter it all over the place. So,
yeah. I think from a a water quality perspective, I had concerns. they are, you know, especially if you don't source the it could be, you know, like a a gas station parking lot. Like, you really just don't know the source.
No, it won't be a gas station parking lot. Usually what happens is the guys that are buying it are buying it off or are are taking them off a project like this any gas station parking lots and stuff like that. Maybe that's
No, no, no. I was saying normally normally they
Yeah, they associated between and you know chemical substances. They had concerns about using that material in such close proximity to water courses without a way to manage the storm water off of them which won't control infiltration. But at least managing storm water. I will say the site at least several years ago it came up I think at the time we're talking crush stone. so we kind of seem to keep having the same conversation about this parking lot and I I wonder if like honestly just taping it isn't you know the best solution at this point and
well what it's doing cheaper.
Yes. the millions will be cheaper. way cheaper. just we can repair it easier. sometimes what what I've done in the past, I'm going to use my previous experience like towns. if we you could actually put like hot patch on somebody's holes and it'll actually bond to what's there as well. So you can fill in you can use asphalt or mills.
I just I mean there's no buffer. It's you know the the stream.
So if you you guys don't mind I mean kind of we drive by it every day see everybody sees it. the most you ever see in there or maybe four cars and that's that's a big enough area. It might be shorter.
So that you'll only allow parking for say six cars.
And that's a good idea.
Maybe now you have your we have room for your buffer.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Can we put So
I would So my plan was wasn't going all the way to death by any go.
Oh, I know. With with the milling. I wasn't going to go all the way to death. there's going to be definitely a buffer zone. you know, another thing I was just, you know, spitballing with my crew leader, Zach, you know, maybe we take because we we have a bunch of rocks down our lay down guard. Maybe we can put a bunch of rocks there so nobody can can, you know, they have to stop at that to put up, you know, to put a railing up. Now you're c, you know, talking money. You know, we put rocks up there, maybe throw some little bit of dirt down, get some grass growing, just that's what I was hoping. And it would it would definitely end up what's the word? Beautify,
you know, to to just allow say six cars have some sort of curb, whatever. However you I'm not talking about a asphalt curve, anything, but some a border and some top soil and get some grass growing in here. Well, sometimes they can take like you see it on the rail trail there like bigger rocks and they're placed in there where cars can't go and they're free enough. So,
is there a drawing associated with this project? I looked online and all I saw was the application.
Yeah. Not yet because I wanted to see what your guys take was before we get if you guys didn't approve it. No offense. Why am I going to go through all this problem here? My next step is I got to get a ro from the state as well. That's my next there is there is an apron out there. They did pave an apron on that on that piece which is good. But again, we're still crossing the right way. So, we're going to do we're going to need our dump. Like if we were I think if we're talking about putting process down like I would personally be all for stone the only difference because of millings.
Yeah. No, again it's what whatever the process is more money though. I will say that it's so much just bought two tri accesses last week and it was $1,000 and that's going to take multiple trixes in here to get to where we go. It's not just take throw it in there grade it out because if we do that it within a year you're going to have all that garbage come up even if we put
I think that's I think stone dust or something
again if we don't dig it out and put a good base in there. It's just going to go right back to like back to what it is and we can put all the the fabric down much.
Yeah, I think if there's a way we'll work with the fire department to make sure that it's not taking away their access or speeds, but to then yeah reduce the parking lot area and provide a greater buffer on I don't know what cardinal direction it is probably into the left but straight ahead to the right. yeah, that would mitigate essentially the the concern is about the material type of buildings because you'd be providing more vegetative bunker to that. Just as a side note again back to concentry, we put miles of millings out on all the dirt roads down around the lake and we've never had too much problems leeching into the catch face and stuff like that
cuz once quality testing to confirm
I did not, but but I've I've sucked out enough baits down there and you know there's two feet of millings in there.
You know it's Yeah. So you you know you you can tell it's migrating in here. You you you know we use them on surfing dirt roads that had nasty hills on them and we got away from that and paved it because we got the same thing. You get a heavy rain on the hill it would just wash right down to the top right back to where you north. I didn't care how hard you packed them in and it just did not. So we gravitated away from that and just would use them on a flat surface. roads are start most of the roads down there are now all paved. but prior to
that any entrances to like other roads if they were paved we would do aprons and everything like that and just run them straight like that.
So is that parking lot like sinking? Is that's what it's called? Or do you think it's
just everybody owning there just turning and just it's garbage material in there. It doesn't drain. It just
is it clay?
It's I think it's just fill. I think over the years they just said, "Oh, parking area." And they filled it and filled it and filled it.
Oh, material.
It may not have been down. It could have been the state,
you know, the state would have been, you know, at some point messing with 316 back 60 years ago, what have you, and said, "Oh, we need a little we need an area for the contractor." They made, "Oh, look, here's an area. The town owns it. We don't have to pay anybody." So they went in there and they made a lay down area and they just kind of pushed it around and left and people started migrating to it. Plenty of spots like that around the state and you'd be amazed. You be like, "How the heck did that happen?" Go back and look go. Well, that's why I was asking about where the the solar road project because if they if they make a lay down area then you'll take all that out of there. People are going to start parking in there walk down. So
you guys in favor of that drinking the parking lot and making vegetative buffer?
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, the rocks. Rocks as long as the rocks are not in impeding the fire department.
Yeah. Oh no, no, we wouldn't. But we would make it so it's like we would protect the dry hydrant. So if somebody did do something,
you guys favor of just 50 foot buffer vegetation harder than that distance.
Well, I think it would be nice to figure out.
Do we have 50 ft there?
I don't know. 50.
No. Again, I really haven't walked it, you know, and I'm sorry I don't have more information just because I wanted to get your guys thoughts before I really dive into this. I just threw it out of sharp just do something to square it up.
Yeah.
Make it look nice and neat. So the bars come in bark head in or
I think it's a good idea.
And then you know you you'll need some whatever to the dry python there. But that's no problem.
Yeah. So it won't be squared of kind of the you know one corner but somewhat your idea just we got plenty of rocks in town. idea just taint big rocks that people can't move
and if we have to get in there we have the capability of moving around so we're we're putting them there so something for whatever reason we do have to get in there they tend to move diesel a lot of towns do this and I think it looks horrible they put salt and that that's gone
yeah I'll fight the guys that suck Could you prepare just a you know definition?
Absolutely definition.
Yeah, that would be okay. No problem. J, did you have a comment? Well, I guess a detailed comment. So, if I know we've got an application with no drawing, but the receipt date, you know, currently unless it's 422. It best would be 57, wouldn't it? Isn't it the date of the meeting?
Yeah, I think the date that the commission set up until
So that would be, you know, 55 because you we we listed the max action date there is 527, which
I put
Yeah. Which I think we've got we can't the minimum date would be two weeks after today.
Yeah. That enough time for you put something together try. Yes.
No.
Well, is there a rush on the propert I mean I can do it in between stuff. It's not not a big deal. This isn't I mean people are still parking there. This isn't a like you know we got wait this has to be done tomorrow otherwise we're
this is the town project. It's not like
Yes.
You kind of come back to the commission and say, "Oh, you didn't act in time. That means it's automatically approved."
Yeah. Right.
Yeah. But it
shouldn't.
No. At the state level, but
No. I'm just trying to visualize why would Chamberlain Pod be any different than the parking lots we have like on Lake Road for the railway. You know, you you come off the road in your parking. You don't have to go way back all the way over to the line. You get that way back maybe in a
Well, you do want to go a little further in. Don't forget over on Lake Road, we don't have as much traffic as we do on 316. There's a nasty corner you can't see. Then you're not
okay back out. Back it out.
But there's there's quite a depth to that parking lot. And
you maybe you can cut it in half almost
spand years because there nothing construct
but I think you know you ever seen world cars here?
No.
Yeah. I mean, I've seen the state DOT truck sitting there.
Yeah.
Wait for the snow.
Yeah, pretty much. It's funny.
You usually see somebody in there who's just parked there or
there is a picnic table in there for fishing train. I' seen people in there fishing occasionally. People do use it. The trail it's very overgrown that goes around. That's the first seed trail or do you want
it's part of it like when it's when it's cut it does connect to the network behind the school but it it it grows up pretty quickly so it really needs to be like heavily cleared during the growing season for it to maintain to be able to be used.
Yeah. My wife and I partner ice skating on the
Yeah. all the time. People definitely use it. And I think if it, you know, honestly looks a little nicer, people might use it more
for the rocks and the grass. I could do something like that.
Yeah. So, you put a nice sign up.
Well, you have a nice parking space.
Well, there is a nice
Is it like a flower pot or something?
Yeah, it's a flower on the right on the right side there. So maybe there's not much in it, right?
But regardless, yeah.
Do I need a motion to table this till we get a drawing?
I don't think so. So we just continue to give
we gave some information. He's going to come back. We'll talk about it some more.
We'll table this until we can get some photos and excellent idea and kind of a sketch of know where rocks and maybe say roughly 50 foot buffer around the water's edge.
Okay.
Sound good? Yeah. Like I said, I just wanted to buy you guys and have all this information you like to be here. Thank you for your comments.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Okay. Are you Oh, sorry. Are you Are you still on board with doing the buildings?
if you had the buffer
if we had a buff or Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I just want to be sure. Okay. Are you guys in favor of that?
That's smart enough to know one way or the other, right? I but I looked at that and I said millings are great but you got some great points about you know the oil base that actually brought it back to never seen it happen but then you could slope
well we're going to want to slope it anyways we're going to try not to have you knowing in there
I'd have in a perfect world I'd say yes but I'd have to get out there and stick it to see which way everything's going. Yeah,
maybe for the next meeting, could we come up with a drawing and some photos and then see if we can slope it back towards the road and south towards the swale.
Yep.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah,
yeah, cuz I know there's a swale there. Maybe we pitch it towards the swale or storm water control rather than towards the body water. If we do that, we may have to throw like a little bit of rip wrap in there or something because if we get everybody talks about this hundredyear flood, if all of a sudden it's still kind of granular or something that just goes right away, at least we kind at least we show we try to mitigate it or the regret. Yeah.
All right. So, we'll table that until next June 2nd. We shouldn't check that available on June second. Okay. For a public hearing, but I don't be very nice to everyone.
any other discussion? As a forces and actions when you didn't have anything I wanted.
Okay.
Yes, that's right. And I just wanted to, you know, I think Wayne sent out to everybody within the last day or so some information from the state forestry folks that I happened to get from Scott Passan. And I thought it was very good. You know, every time somebody comes to us and says, I want to go harvest trees, they argue that Andover is the only place that makes them go get a permit. and you know that probably not true but that's what we hear from them every time they come in and when I looked at so there was there's some good information in the email on it we had talked when we were coming up to the planet conservation and development one of the things conservation commission wanted was us to have a timber harvest notification form for anything that gets done I looked at this thing and I said wow that's got a
lot of detail on That's probably cumbersome for the guy to do. Of course, he ain't going to want to do it, but we get a good record of what's going on. And then they had this crusty little flowchart that I as I looked through there, you know, it kind of shows I thought it it reflected what we always do.
Yeah.
And so, you know, if we're using the state stuff and somebody says, "How come you guys want us to do all this? We're just using the state stuff." Well, and I I wouldn't worry about that feedback that we're the only town because if they truly felt we were out of line, they could bring it to the state and the state could tell we're not properly enforcing the regulation. So, the fact that they haven't painful.
Yep.
Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, that probably true too. But you know, certainly this would formalize based on what the states provided what we what we expect and makes it very easy. So, you know, we don't have to take any action on wait till we get a wetlands agent, which I would think that that would be something that you would be to our benefit to use.
I just wanted to clarify what you said the because we would only look at applications that have a water course or wetlands impact or essential. did they want that for all timber? The conservation commission for all timber who
like we wouldn't be able to oversee that I guess for all all harvesting in town.
I think you know the wetlands agent would be the guy and the thought was people come in and want to harvest and they don't really know whether they got wetlands or not. And so if we force him to come in and have the conversation, then the wetlands agent can look on whatever re however he wants to do. We say, "Okay, yep, you don't have anything there." But there's enough information on this that I think allows the wetlands agent to to make a determination what his knowledge is the area. So it the conservation commission's thought is we need to put those measures into place ahead of time such that when we actually get the guy at a meeting we're not throwing you know throwing him under the bus and and making him unhappy. He goes ahead of time. He comes gives us everything and then it should be a pretty smooth pretty smooth course because we made him give us the information we need so that we can make sure that we can
request them. we can truly require materials from a a really doesn't operate in the upland review area or within wetlands.
That's smart enough to answer that. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I don't certainly not wet because it it wouldn't have wet
but how do you know that's the thing?
I think a lot of times
this is arguments. This is a watershed area that
just about everywhere you go it's water.
Yeah.
And it's is it a marsh? Is it a wet? Is it a stream? Is it a pond? Is it a kettle p? Whatever. And if you if you're harvesting 400 acres of trees on there or something
and if they don't know I mean I know we I've been on this commission now about five years. I think I've done one one two site blocks on timber or timber harvest. two one they were clearing 40 acres or whatever for firewood
right right he had water piece of land I mean springs he goes no we don't have any marshes here we don't have
they almost got us go it's like finally the lady nice lady she goes oh go ahead come on out and go take a look it was almost like she was just being nice to to let us And then we go there, there's a cow pond right next to the the road
like right on and it's like no. So because we work as a guy who's going to do a harvest come in, talk to the weapons agent to make sure.
Yeah.
And then at least we could keep the trees around the counter pond from getting cut back home. And now the other question is now I don't know maybe I'm confused on this even if there's wetlands on property and they're they want to do timber harvest. I remember Joe was explaining that and was a right to timber harvest town right. So how does that work now if the trees are in wetlands and they still want to timber harvest?
So it's more about the process. So how
yeah like if they're driving through wetlands and doing anything mate the impact.
Yeah, I think we've done three or four of these bunch of years. But
here's a lot of times where you talk to the guy about avoiding his wetland area, then okay, we can sh but he comes in present his plan and we you know start he feels like we're attacking him and that doesn't go very well.
Yeah. Okay. That's what the other what was the other timber harvest I went on was the first time that that land had been looked at in 40 years the previous harvest and the the big boards I forget the what you call those the ones that you put in the stream
it was still there
that's why we I think the we should be looking into the timber harvest and not just assuming, oh yeah, there is no water on that property. It's like sure that should be an agent thing.
Yeah. Right.
because I think that what is it? You don't remember was it on Boston Hill where we all walked that time? I think Joe flagged a bunch of areas, right?
Yeah. Stay under here. Stay under.
Don't cut the trees around here.
But I think no issue. You know, they were cut the trees.
Yeah.
Until we talk about that.
Yeah. Actually, me and Joe walk the property. Oh, yeah. 36 exact same thing. One of our timber. We walk we both walk through property, you know, chill stay out of here like that equipment or stuff. So makes sense. Yeah. I thought it was a good idea. Sure. Yeah. Really good idea.
We need a motion on something like that or stay. No, I would think you would just direct the weaponization to use the
SH would that state form need to be modified for town use or you
It's easy enough, but
I mean enough to take that form. Well, I'm just wondering if it's something that we want to post to the, you know, the website now or
Well, I guess I'd like to hear from Wayne. He talks about how our company and I did develop in the weapons agent world. Waiting for the agenda.
Okay. Your stick was for the agenda.
Yeah. Okay. That's good. That's good. But I just was hoping that everybody else would think it's a good idea too and it will work within whatever.
It's a good idea.
I'm not familiar with the wet if someone wants to cut their trees down. Do they have to come to
it's a great
he town and ask permission to cut their trees? I think if you know the Atriy rights guy still
Yeah. Timber falls under agriculture. So there are former Department of Agriculture and
well
I think the risk you run is you don't come to the wells agent you get started and then we go out and stop them and that is tremendous cost to the property. Yeah. But is is there any formal requirement like a regulation there says if you are going to conduct timber shel fill out this form and have it reviewed by or is there I'm not familiar enough optional until they do
and then by what at what point do you trigger this I mean, if you're just going to go cut some firewood in the woods behind the behind the house or
as you're saying like bridge or something.
No. Well, yeah.
Yeah. The amount of the volume of stuff you're cutting.
I know you did wheeling road too.
They use they use the term endorse in this email a lot. Endorsed the previously utilized timber form. You will find text this document. Please note this form has been crossendorsed by Connecticut Forest and Bark Association, Connecticut Farm Bureau and the Connecticut Professional Timber Producers Associ. So, is that form intended for towns to use or is it being used for another purpose?
No, it's intended for No, it's funny you mentioned Wheeling Road because that was actually what when we were trying to talk to the the arborist there soon as we said, "Oh, you're going to need burping." Soon as we were so like that, we're going to need permit for just now I'm not involved in that. He he just relieved himself from the meeting that permits were to my to my knowledge. There are permits in place because they put the landings down. Oh jurisdictional that's what we were talking about. Do we have jurisdiction over the timber harvest? And and it's when we talked about it and it took we came to the conclusion, yes, we did have jurisdiction over.
We obviously have jurisdiction. Some of us working in wetlands or building.
Yeah. Right.
But that was the end of the conversation when we said yes, we do have jurisdiction.
We were all kind of surprised. He just got him.
You were ready to, you know, there were easy paths around it to avoid the weather. He just didn't want it.
But did he do it? Sounds like he must have come back.
Did he not do the project or
I never he never came back?
Yeah.
We never approved a permit for him. I hate deciding that we didn't have jurisdiction over you, I guess, because NRCS drew up the plans for the landings stuff like that. Maybe we're not even
I think it was a mission and he didn't want anything to do with I guess probably Joe must have taken care of.
He put the first he put the stone in. It's all there. Looks like an We're waiting to get here.
Are we?
Yeah. Is there any further discussion on anything for tonight? Any further discussion on anything? I'll go one more just for everybody's information here. the at the last plan and zoning meeting there was a group that came to talk about lint home corners rosewood acres down here that they're trying to put in 86 town homes
which would be a lot of housing coming into the only one we heard.
No, we the corner of 87 and and route six. which you could see from over here. You could see if you look down through the woods,
right? No. Is that clear?
No.
It's like a dead end road, right?
If you go to route 87.
Yeah.
And route six headed towards Bullet Manic is going to be on the right hand side just past route 87.
Oh, okay.
Oh, that guy used to have the smoke shop.
No, that that's a that's a pull up there.
Yeah, that's further down the road. That's by Bunker Hill or one of those roads down there that goes off. But but this is a 56 acre parcel and I think it it sounds like pretty good idea. You know, somebody asked him if you been out there to look and see if there's any wetlands. He said nope. He said, you know, I think it was Scott Pan and he's very familiar with the property. and he said, "Well, you you need to get somebody out there to take a look." Then
and they can I mean, if there are, they can both mitigation alter. It's not a it's not a deal breaker,
right? Yeah. But but but we should expect at some point hopefully we'll get a chance to hear from him because
it sounded like he was eager to go forward with the project.
I I recall it's on economic development for a little bit. I think that was a lot of parcels hard to try and get something interested in we do have an 80 interested in getting something interested.
Yeah.
At the same time he was going to put a little you know three shop commercial thing right off on on route six over that way too. So it looked like that might be a pretty good thing for the town. I explain to you I actually can add something to that here. I one of the u proponents one of the one of the individuals proposing they're just keeping tigers right now. There's no there's no firm proposals or anything like that. Anyway, they were in the office and picking my brain and stuff like that. And one of the things I did was that that was that property was a subject of a of a subdivision. So there are maps that show wetlands and stuff like that. So I I did I did let him I I didn't show that stuff the proponent. I didn't point out that there are a significant amount of wetlands on their property per the subdivision maps and I didn't get the warm fuzzies. So I don't know where this is going. There's an option or something like that. His timeline is very rushed. and they have to make a decision soon whether they're going to purchase the property in order to have the property to propose this development. I I think I'll just leave it at that, but I have provided them with as much information as we have on that. Okay. That's all I did. Okay. So, make during the meeting.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, commission was I guess. Well, I'm waiting for subject. I'm the zoning agent. but I guess in the absence of clear direction I have we posted a the job opening the job opening closes this Friday. I can report that we do have an applicant. I'm not going to discuss the applicant or anything like that. That would be inappropriate. But we do have an applicant that may be desiraction.
Where was the child posted?
Was posted on the website. It was posted. It was a legal notice. It was posted to the planning zoning wetlands list serve that Yukon runs. And well, those are the three places I posted, too.
I can out to some of the on the river bree. It was in the river. Yeah. and our town player you know did contribute to the doc search I'm sorry the evidence search so that's really what I have to report there is from my perspective right at the end of this I've been trying to just kind of keep things moving as best I can and thankfully there hasn't did a whole lot to keep moving in the wetlands area. Like I told Duncan in the interest of full disclosure, I have worked at site plans that didn't have wetlands and said there did identify any weapons said okay just to keep you know like shifts and stuff like that. Yeah, I think that's what Joe was doing.
As long as he didn't see what Yeah. interference.
Yeah. I mean, I usually was in the office. I picked up what I could from.
But something like this.
Yeah. This other project. Sure. I'll have enough to do this only 86. Yeah. if that comes in being and and then there was the other the other pre-application we agre she is thinking about adding a another unit 32 apartments in that unit. So that's going to that's going to complete for you guys that's going to be challenge for TNC to
where above
the whales shinsley road doesn't go all the way through and stops
it's not a town it's the town doesn't maintain.
Oh god. She's not. She has all together up there. There's probably five or six unit five or six like 12 unit buildings already.
They're all single single. They're all one bed. That's what she proposed with. They were of course they were built like in the 60s. So with today's standards there could be some some significant challenges to overcome in my mind. I think anybody agreed. Well, the only way you know they will have to come in under the state statute 830G which bypasses the zoning regulations if you have an application zoning still has to
they do if they don't like the zoning they
take it to court you've seen a lot of that in the newspap
because they do have to go to court at that point they can't just
yeah that's that's what 8:30 routine is all if zoning doesn't come through with a a safe a health or safety concern they can appeal the the zoning decision but what is that agreement
you know it's not automatic but it does give you a way around the town zoning regulations Yeah.
And she's got some ice departments out there now. Certainly, most people don't even know they exist out there.
But I don't think it gives them cart branch to say, "All right, he's going to throw out of it."
But while there'd be some challenges, I think it'd be good for the town, too. You know, get the board component to it, it can be approved. Yep. by court.
Okay. Anything else? That's it. I just want to let you guys
Thanks.
Yeah.
Thanks for sharing. Yeah, it's good to see make a motion to
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